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KAILEY: MIKE, JUST TO BEGIN WITH YOU,IF THE WHITE HOUSE AND MIKE JOHNSON AREN'T GOING TO TALKAND THE HOUSES HEADING OUT OF TOWN AFTER TOMORROW, THE LASTBOAT IS THURSDAY AT 2:30 P.M., THEY WON'T BE BACK UNTILFEBRUARY 28. IT FEELS LIKE THE SUPPLEMENTALPACKAGES GOING NOWHERE FAST IN THE OTHER CHAMBER. >> IT LOOKS LIKE A TOUGHSITUATION IN THE HOUSE FOR UKRAINE AID.IT IS POSSIBLE THAT OVER TIME.

THEY COULD USE THIS CONVOLUTEDPROCESS CALLED A DISCHARGE PETITION WHERE YOU SLOWLY GET AMAJORITY TO SIGN A PETITION TO FORCE IT.THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THAT, AND AS YOU SAY, THEY ARETAKING A TWO WEEK VACATION BEFORE THEY EVEN COME BACK ANDSTART OVER. JOE: ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THATCOULD BE PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS. PROGRESSIVE'S WHO ARE NOT HAPPYABOUT JOE BIDEN'S POLICY TOWARD ISRAEL, THERE ARE BILLIONS FORISRAEL IN THIS LEGISLATION. IS THAT WHAT IS GOING TO STOPTHIS FROM HAPPENING?.

>> IT'S ACCOMMODATION OF HOWMANY PROGRESSIVES ARE TOO UPSET WITH THE CAMPAIGN IN GAZA ANDTHE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES THERE. WE KNOW THERE WILL BE AT LEASTSOME THAT WOULD NOT SIGN ONTO THIS.ON THE OTHER HAND THERE ARE NATIONAL SECURITY REPUBLICANS,HOW MANY OF THEM WERE WILLING TO STAND UP AND POSSIBLY BE THETARGET OF DONALD TRUMP AND THE MAGA REPUBLICANS WHICH ARETHEIR PRIMARY BASE VOTERS. THESE TWO LITTLE DIALS, WEDON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WILL GO. WE DON'T — WE DO KNOW ONETHING, IT'S GOING TO BE SLOW.

FOR UKRAINE WHO NEEDS A. KAILEY:SPEAKER JOHNSON WE KNOW HAS A CLOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THEAFOREMENTIONED DONALD TRUMP. WE HEARD FROM THE SPEAKER THISMORNING. >> WE ARE NOT GOING TO BEFORCED INTO ACTION BY THE SENATE WHO IN THE LATESTPRODUCT DOES NOT HAVE ONE WORD IN THE BILL ABOUT AMERICA'SBORDER. THE HOUSE IS WORKING — THEHOUSE REPUBLICAN CONFERENCE CHAIR JUST MET AN HOUR AGO ANDTHERE ARE A LOT OF IDEAS ON THE TABLE OF HOW TO ADDRESS THEISSUES.

WE WILL DO OUR DUTY ON THATMATTER AND ALL THAT BEGINS IN EARNEST RIGHT NOW. KAILEY: MAYBE THIS BILL DOESN'T HAVE AWORD ON THE BORDER, BUT THERE WAS A BILL THAT HAD MANY WORDSON THE BORDER. IT WAS A BORDER DEAL, AND THEHOUSE SAID WE DON'T WANT IT. HELP US MAKE SENSE OF THIS. >> THIS IS A TOUGH ONE TO MAKESENSE OF. THIS IS ONE REPUBLICANS WILLHAVE TO ANSWER ABOUT. YOU CAN LOOK AT LAST NIGHT'SELECTION TO SHOW FOR THAT.

THE DEMOCRATS DID PASS IN THESENATE A BORDER BILL. THE REPUBLICAN SAID NO, AFTERSAYING WE WANT A BORDER BILL. A BORDER BILL THAT WENT FURTHERTHAN MANY HAVE IN THE PAST. THIS NOW BECOMES AN ELECTIONISSUE. THIS IS SOMETHING THE SPEAKERWILL BE ASKED ABOUT, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW. JOE: I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING THEYDID PAST LAST EVENING WAS THE IMPEACHMENT OF THE HOMELANDSECURITY SECRETARY, BY ALL OF ONE VOTE.ALEJANDRA MAYORKAS HAS A NEW.

DISTINCTION NOW.CHUCK SCHUMER CALLED IT A SHAM AND ANOTHER EMBARRASSMENT FORHOUSE REPUBLICANS. IT IS EXPECTED TO DIE VERYQUIETLY IN THE SENATE, LIKELY IN COMMITTEE.HAS THE MESSAGE BEEN DELIVERED, OR WAS THERE MORE TO THIS? >> THE REPUBLICANS TRIED TO DOTHIS A WEEK AGO AND WERE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, OBVIOUSLYEMBARRASSING FOR THE HOUSE SPEAKER.SO SURE, THEY DELIVERED A MESSAGE, BUT TO WHAT END?THE MESSAGE IS OUT THERE THAT.

WE DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEBORDER, BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN TURN THAT BACK AROUND AND DEMOCRATSWILL SAY, OK, WE GAVE YOU A SOLUTION.WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE? >> IT IS WORTH KEEPING IN MINDTHAT THE IMPEACHMENT VOTE DID HAPPEN YESTERDAY.IF IT WERE TO HAPPEN ON FEBRUARY 28, THE DEMOCRAT FROMNEW YORK IN THE SPECIAL ELECTION YESTERDAY TO REPLACETOWARD SANTOS, THEY WOULD NOT OF BEEN ABLE TO TAKE THAT VOTEBECAUSE THE MARGIN GETS EVEN TIGHTER.SO HOW MUCH MORE INCREMENTALLY.

DIFFICULT IS IT FOR MIKEJOHNSON TO GET ANYTHING DONE IN THIS HOUSE, WHETHER TO AIDUKRAINE OR JUST A FUNDING BILL TO AVOID A SHUTDOWN? >> LITERALLY IT IS ONE THIRDMORE DIFFICULT. NOW HE CAN ONLY LOSE TWOREPUBLICANS, AND ONE OF THOSE MIGHT BE MATT GAETZ OR MARJORIETAYLOR GREENE. YOU JUST NEED ONE MORE ANDEVERYTHING STOPS. THIS JUST MAKES THINGS MUCHHARDER FOR HIM TO GET ANYTHING DONE.THE UKRAINE SITUATION IS GOING.

TO BE TOUGH ON HIM, ALSOKEEPING THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE TOUGH ON HIM.THE DEMOCRATIC SENATE AND THE DEMOCRATIC WHITE HOUSE ARE NOTGOING TO ROLL OVER INTO EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSERVATIVES WANT.JOE: THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS, ORGOING TO SHUT DOWN THREE WEEKS FROM TOMORROW?THAT'S WHEN THE BEGINNING OF THIS WOULD HAPPEN.NO ONE SEEMS TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT. THERE ARE SIX LEGISLATIVE DAYSLEFT, IF MY COUNT IS CORRECT,.

AND ONLY THREE WHEN THEY COMEBACK FROM RECESS. ARE WE SHUTTING DOWN? >> THAT HAVEN'T DONE THESETTING UP TO AVOID A SHUT. IT LOOKS VERY DIRE, BUT I KNOWI AM A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS. I THINK SPEAKER JOHNSON HASTELEGRAPHED BY THE WAY HE HAS HANDLED THE OTHER SHUTDOWNTHREATS THAT HE REALLY WANTS TO AVOID ONE.SO I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THE ODDS OF A SHUT DOWN, MUCH LESSAN EXTENDED SHUT DOWN, OR THAT HIGH.IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH TO DO,.

AND I DON'T SEE A CLEAR PATH.KAILEY: AS WE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUESTHAT RESONATE WITH VOTERS, THE BORDER IS DEFINITELY FRONT OFMIND. WHAT ABOUT GOVERNMENT FUNDING?WHO ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO SHOULDER THE BLAME FOR THAT?WHAT DO WE ACTUALLY THINK COMES INTO PLAY? >> NOBODY WANTS TO SHOULDER THEBLAME FOR THAT. ESPECIALLY NOW IN AN ELECTIONYEAR. YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS IS AVERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AND.

IT IS.BUT THERE WILL BE SHUT — SO MUCH BLAME TO GO AROUND IFTHERE IS A SHUT DOWN, BOTH PARTIES BLAMING THE OTHER.NO ONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH THAT IN AN ELECTION YEAR.THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF BLAME AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OFREASONS WHY PEOPLE WANT TO AVOID THAT.

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